THE WATCHERS & THE WATCHED
Boiler Room — September 18, 2026
Bryan “Hesher” McClain with Adam “Ruckus” Clark and Mark Anderson

Can you dig it? Can you dig it? Ladies. Gentlemen. Friends. Foes. Lurkers. Regulars. GMO people. Organic people. Willow. Inbound. Wide. Full. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back to the Social Rejects Club, the anti-think tank think tank, and the place where stories nobody knows how to categorize come to die. Or occasionally get resurrected. This is Boiler Room on Alternate Current Radio. Tonight, the machines are watching, the corporations are deciding who gets a microphone, police departments are arresting people over Facebook posts, dead musicians are receiving unauthorized studio help, and driverless cars have apparently begun calling the cops on their own passengers.

We have a Philadelphia house containing more than a million disturbing images and videos, multiple missing women, fake federal credentials, guns, drugs, cremated remains, and unidentified basement laboratory. We have a catastrophic Metro bus collision in Los Angeles, followed by a news helicopter crashing while covering that first disaster. We have some updates on an AI breach of OpenAI. We got a Central Texas homicide suspect exchanging gunfire with police. We've got so much stuff for you tonight the arrival of the most advanced surveillance technology ever presented to the Dallas city council also we cannot forget about the flock daddy ninety nine hundred so the question hanging over tonight's madhouse is simple When every institution, platform, vehicle, venue, camera, and algorithm is capable of observing you, judging you, and reporting you, who is watching those that are watching us?

So pull up a chair and help us crack open the swear jar tonight. The Boiler Room is open. I'm Bryan McClain, otherwise known as Hesher. Thanks for joining us tonight. We're streaming live on YouTube. Double streaming on YouTube for you cell phone watchers. You smart cellular mobile device watchers, of course, and in full HD for everybody else. We're streaming on Rumble. We're streaming on X. And after the show, we'll be going out to all the various podcasting platforms for tonight's episode.

It's September the eighteenth, 2026. Here we go. Let's welcome some guests into the Boiler Room. Up first, we've got Roger that joining us. How about that? Roger, welcome to the Boiler Room. How are you doing tonight? Roger that from either Roger or his alter ego, Mark Anderson, who has multiple personalities almost beyond counting. And so it's all a matter of identity, right? Who knows if I'm really Mark Anderson? But I think that the surveillance state knows who we are and what we're saying and what we're doing, as you're indicating.

And yeah, it's a pretty vexing problem. So let's see if we can't pull just the right thread that unravels the tapestry. All right, let's do it, Mark. Let's do it. We're going to bring a Ruckus among us over here as well. We've got Adam Clark joining us. The Ruckus. There he is. What's up, man? Welcome to the Boiler Room. Howdy, howdy, howdy. Thanks for having me. Boy, there's a lot going on. Well, I guess it's a lot of the same usual. It's a lot of nonsense. That's why I've been distracting myself lately with work.

And I've been playing a video game. I actually had installed a brand new pinball machine. I forgot to show it to you while you were over here the other day. Here's what it is. It's the new Trump pinball game. So I've been having a blast what sucks is like every time you play it is the way the game works is you always lose no matter what you do like the you press the button and the flippers don't move or anything it's just you just keep losing And then every time you lose and you're lost everything, it just keeps saying, winning, winning, winning, winning. It's the strangest pinball machine I've ever seen. But it is what it is.

At least it's fun. It's something to do. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Wow. Good job on that. It looks like a real fun time. It looks even more fun than going up to Choctaw Casino or something that we got nearby. Well, I don't know. I'd probably lean towards the casino at this point. You might have better odds yeah for sure yeah it's not quite the same plus those little plastic the little plastic money token things what are they called poker chips or whatever right they're worth a hell of a lot more than the fiat money I got stashed in a sock under my bed so you know yeah well you're lucky you got enough to get into a sock at this point so we don't have much to gamble with but if you do there's a lot of room left in that sock I'm afraid to report yeah that's right so if you want to support our gambling habits and other means of coping with the technocratic end of america then we've got a Patreon we've got a PayPal we've got super chat ability or you could just share or subscribe to the channel or drop a like on it.

If you're out there watching tonight, drop us a live like, and we'll try to keep an eye on the comments. Good to see everybody in the comments. Good to see everybody in the Discord. I hope everybody's, going to have a great weekend and are off to a wonderful Friday evening. Thank you for joining us for the live show yet again. Now I think, I think we're going to just bust right into some, I guess this is concert news, venue news that is bleeding over into geopolitical activities.

So we need to talk about this whole Ed Sheeran and Macklemore business. This is pretty interesting. None of which are artists that I've spent any time listening to, but I hear about them often. So I'm guessing, Mark, you're probably the same. You ever heard of an Ed Sheeran or a Macklemore before? I can't say that I have. I could not speak intelligently about those. All right. You don't need to. Luckily, luckily for this story, there is no need because basically Ed Sheeran is a very popular musician.

I think he's British. I think he must be a British guy. And then there's Macklemore, who's a rapper, right? So Macklemore was removed from the dates on Ed Sheeran's American tour in after his september fourth performance where he made pro-Palestinian remarks and essentially accused Israel of genocide now the tour promoter said multiple venues would not host these concerts with Ed Sheeran if Macklemore remained on the bill so there's a friend of jeffrey by the name of Robert Kraft, I believe. And he's the New England Patriots and Gillette Stadium owner, Robert Kraft.

So this guy, he didn't immediately claim responsibility, but all these venues and these guys, these guys that own these venues are all billionaires, right? So you're these billionaires that own these venues. And... This whole thing happened. So let me just play James Lee did a really good video on this and by the way It led to other people that were on this tour peeling off of the tour in support of Macklemore and in protest of Robert Kraft's decision and the thing with Ed Sheeran is he is a devout Zionist, you know, he's been to the wall and all that and he's played like Robert Kraft's wedding or something like that. At any rate, James Lee did a really good video on it that I think describes the relationships here much better than I can.

So let me just play this for you guys. Because he does such a good job with these. I swear, every road always leads back to the Epstein files in that tiny little country in the Middle East. We are gonna Charlie Davis today and connect all the dots between Ed Sheeran, his manager Casey Wasserman, Robert Kraft, Bibi Netanyahu, Jeffrey Epstein, and Ghislaine Maxwell. Starting with Robert Kraft, who orchestrated Macklemore's removal from this tour.

Well, it turns out Ed Sheeran is very close friends with Robert Kraft, even performing at his wedding. Quote, I've always had a lovely relationship with him. He is super sweet. Oh yeah, Robert Kraft, he's just a super sweet dude, right? Well, among the many dark things that we're about to get into, this is a photo that was sent to me yesterday by a source taken inside, allegedly, the home of billionaire Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and this is a painting that looks to be depicting some kind of childlike nude figure. I guess it just puts them in the mood.

Speaking of Epstein, back in twenty nineteen, if you remember, Robert Kraft was arrested on charges of solicitation. But magically, a year later, the charges were mysteriously dropped. I wonder how that happened. Well, you probably guessed it. It was Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer who rescued Kraft, according to documents released in the Epstein files. And Israel Kraft has a personal relationship with war criminal Benjamin Netanyahu spanning decades.

Now leads us to talk about the other side of the chart, Sheeran's manager, Casey Wasserman. Now, who is Casey Wasserman? Well, Casey Wasserman is a business executive, the founder of the sports and entertainment firm Wasserman, and the chairperson of the L.A. Twenty eight Olympic and Paralympic Games. And no surprise, Wasserman is also a direct member of the Epstein class. In September of two thousand two, Wasserman and his then wife joined Epstein on a Clinton Foundation humanitarian trip to Africa on Epstein's private jet, along with people like Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey and Ghislaine Maxwell. And after the trip, he exchanged a series of flirtatious emails with Maxwell. In one exchange, he wrote that he thought of her, quote, all the time and asked what he would have to do to, quote, see her in a tight leather outfit.

And like most folks in the Epstein class, Wasserman also has close ties to the country of Israel, including a personal and professional relationship with Netanyahu. Wasserman, the chair of the twenty eight Los Angeles Olympic Organizing Committee, met with Netanyahu last year, saying, quote, Your leadership over the past two years makes me proud to be Jewish. So just to be perfectly clear there, during the most destructive period of Israel's assault on Gaza is when Casey Wasserman felt the most proud to be Jewish. That is insane.

So you see, many people think that entertainment is distinct from politics, but as we've shown today, it's absolutely not. With Ed Sheeran making, quote unquote, an entertainment decision based on his relationship with an immoral manager and a corrupt billionaire, both of whom have actively benefited from the support of a genocidal leader and nation downstream of one of the largest human trafficking and espionage rings in history to boot, allegedly. I swear, every road always leads back. Doesn't it, though? It's like you can't even read about a tour cancellation now without something like this coming up and the internet sleuths and people like James Lee and our viewers who just see it. It's just right there in your face.

It's like, okay, we're going to cancel. I think the days of canceling artists over this topic are coming to a close. This is getting ridiculous. So, Mark, what do you think, man? Pretty crazy how a story about simply an artist getting canceled from a tour turns into a corkboard full of red strings and someone like James Lee putting these pieces together. Yeah, the Israeli state shows its guilt and. And its responsibility for mass murder precisely by the sensitivity it has to even the slightest whiff of negative publicity. If they were really in the right, which is impossible for them to be, but if they were really in the right, they would tolerate a certain degree of criticism.

If you don't tolerate even one modicum of criticism, that is really an admission of guilt. They can't say with any credibility whatsoever that they don't tolerate criticism because these are just such calumnious lies against them. And they don't really say that. They might feign that a little bit, but it's a tacit admission of their war crimes that they are so sensitive to. No matter who says it, no matter what they say, no matter how innocent sounding or oblique the comment may have been, They're shouting you down. And so, you know, BB could not look more responsible. He could not look more guilty.

And if he believes in any kind of judgment in the afterlife, which maybe he doesn't or he doesn't want to go there, I can't even imagine that. What any divine judgment would be with someone like that who's got the blood of tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of children on his hands. Let's just say it for what it is. So, you know, pride goeth before the fall. They can just keep banning people and shouting people down. But slowly but surely, and I hope I'm not wrong, I believe more and more people are waking up to what the modern Israeli state is really about, what Zionism really means. And one by one, maybe too slowly for our taste, but I think that people are beginning to see that the legitimacy, the very principle or the very legitimacy of the Israeli state is up for question.

Is it a state at all, is my question. I think the answer is no, not really. It's just an occupational bunch of gangsters that took over Palestine in Yeah, and I'm hearing the same sentiment more and more as I'm out at concerts and stuff like that. I've been at a number of shows this year where bands have made public comments in front of their audiences, and the audience cheers. The audience cheers louder and louder each time I hear it as time goes on. And there's a number of things that are... Really messed up about the robert craft trying to cancel trying to cancel Macklemore for his comments and Macklemore did not make any comments about anything other than the government of Israel in fact he made he made sure to say that he has jewish brothers and sisters and that his commentary is not meant to hurt them or defame them it was about their government and it's like you know that's a that's a distinction I think a lot of americans can understand you know here in our country about each other when it comes to right left well not everybody you know it's a lot of impasses but for the most part it's kind of like know it's not like that you know like we can separate ourselves from government policies you know I know plenty of liberals and conservatives that can sit down and say hey this policy is whack it's it's inhumane regardless of what it is you know so but then a foreign country we have these political zionists billionaires in charge of things like the Gillette Center, a place where big artists like this would play.

And they're just like, nah, we didn't like your comment about not killing babies and children and women. Pretty crazy, isn't it, Ruckus? I mean, just billionaires canceling artists with huge fan bases. Well obviously that's not what they care about there these people are serving a greater higher purpose a different agenda than catering to their customers or their client base or as it were like I mean because what happens if everybody decides excuse me, to stop attending the concerts. And then where's the crafts of the world going to be then, right?

Well, I'm sure they make money other ways, probably rigging the markets and stuff. This is playing into a disturbing and strange, something that I can't wrap my head around. I don't quite understand, but I recognize it. And we hear Patrick Henningsen discuss these types of things, how like they love to set themselves up in these situations where people then call them out, point at them and say, and do things that then they turn around and say, aha. You hate us I'm like well stop doing things that make people hate you ah that's a hateful comment what are you doing it's it's just this weird childish reverse psychology bizarre They're obsessed with it. It's like it's like their only move. It's like it's all they got.

It's like they know these things are going to backfire. The backfiring serves their agenda further. And it's just it's this never ending self feeding loop of what the F is happening here. And I just, I don't quite understand it. Cry bullies, there you go. There's somebody just put it in the post. So anyways, very, very strange stuff. I don't quite understand it. It is all quite in your face and it's nothing new. What is new is the amount of it, how we're allowed to talk about it.

The Overton window has been completely thrown open. And I guess it's just all part of the, they just want everybody to be angry at each other. They want to blame, They want a select handful of people to continuously misdirect their anger towards the nation state of Israel, which is like is it or isn't it real or whatever, and just generally throw that onto the people with the religion and the things. And then they can associate that with Christianity and a whole host of – this is just opening the door. It's a slippery slope is what I think it is ultimately. It's a very slippery slope, and some people, some dimwits are arguing, oh, well, billionaire owns it. It's his business.

He can do whatever he wants. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Last I looked, I don't think we have a single enormous sports ball stadium in the country that wasn't – partially funded by taxpayer dollars without any option to opt out for those people so it is in some percentage a public arena right sort of managed by stuffy billionaire dill hole But to say that like, oh, it's you know what I mean? Like it's like it's the gay guy going to get a cake baked at the conservative bakery or something. You know, that's a completely different argument when you know, if everybody in town had to put their tax dollars into that bakery. You know what I'm saying?

Like, does someone actually does the manager actually own the bakery at that point? I mean, we've got this Formula One monstrosity down here in Austin, Texas, right? What do they call it? The Circuit of the Americas? Taxpayer dollars. Taxpayer dollars made that thing. Am I wrong about that? Roger that. I mean, that's my understanding of how these things are made. For a long time, stadiums... Major sports stadiums. Well, first of all, we can remember, at least I'm old enough to remember when it used to just be White Sox Park, Wrigley Field, Red Sox Park.

Well, That's one of the oldest still remaining stadiums. I'm temporarily forgetting the name of the Red Sox Park, but they never had an AT&T name or some other corporate name. And all of a sudden, maybe in the late eighties, nineties, everything was renamed AT&T Stadium or, you know, Microsoft or some variant of a large corporation, its name was stamped on these stadiums that used to be just called White Sox Park, Yankee Stadium. They were just named after the team. They were just community get-togethers, community property, nominally owned by the league, but the public had a stake in it. And then they created these corporate monsters and everything. And I believe there's also a stadium named after a lot of the cell phone companies.

At any rate, what I'm getting at is the municipalities would have a vote and the taxpayers would vote for a large sum of money to either keep or move a major team into town. And the taxpayer, let's say the vote was positive. The tax dollars went out. A new stadium was built. Chicago, the old White Sox field, Kaminsky Park was replaced by the new White Sox field. And they gave it, I think they gave it one of those corporate names. But anyway, not only did the taxpayers pay for it, but oftentimes in different cities, the corporate owners would take those tax dollars, build the stadium, have the game there, have the team there for ten years, and then they'd move the team out of town and basically abandon everything that the taxpayers paid for.

And then they'd go to another town and... Sponsor a team, maybe a new team or a team that maybe had an old name and then it was given a new name. The Washington Senators used to be, or the Washington Nationals used to be the Washington Senators. Maybe they'd expand a stadium or they'd build a new stadium and get rid of the old one. But at any rate, they'd take the tax dollars, they'd operate for a while, and then they'd abandon the city anyway and basically leave the taxpayers holding the bag. And so there's sort of a sordid history of corporate tiers taking advantage of taxpayers for their sports networks, for their sports investments, things like that. Yeah it's I've seen that too growing up in california I saw them shell gaming teams all over the place like look at the raiders for example they have been in like at least four different cities and two different states that I can recall Yeah, so you get this corporate angle to it now where it's like clearly it's, you know, we're right now with this story.

We're seeing exactly how the corporate angle works. And, you know, Robert Kraft, what a what a sordid history there. What a sordid history with that guy. What a strange. Painting to have above your bazillion dollar super bowl trophies and stuff I mean are you are you trying to make podesta blush with your art collection or something like that look at the connections to bill clinton look at all that is all just so bananas and this guy's a bazillionaire he's running corporations and all this stuff But is this an ordinary venue discretion or an informal corporate blacklist? I guess that's the question. And to me, it looks a lot like the latter. He's crafty.

Cue the Beastie Boys. You'll notice too, that the players used to be just the players, but now when they do the press conferences, they have to have these boards behind them with all the corporate names, just stamped everywhere you go. I was watching a football game the other day and they have like a Motorola logo or some corporate logo right on the top. It was either the top of the Jersey or the bottom of their helmet. They're literally stamped with the corporate fingerprint. And you know, so, just exactly who are they playing for? You know what I mean?

Professional sports has become, I think, more propagandistic for that reason. It's... Right on the border of being politicized, you know, and that you begin to also wonder if the outcomes are even honest. If the games aren't somehow rigged to a degree. Yeah. Deep rabbit holes. People go down on that one, Mark. Yeah. At least the high stakes games, not necessarily all of them because it would be too obvious, but when it really matters, it, that's just a, a little pit stop in our, in our discussion, but yeah, Yeah, everything is so corporatized.

And that was the first time that I recalled seeing a corporate logo right on the uniform. I just can't remember. It was late at night. I was a little groggy. Or it was on the bottom of the helmet back here. But a definite, unmistakable... A loyalty to the corporate sponsors that's becoming more and more obvious. And I just don't think that's what sports should be about. You know, it, it back in the old days, it really was about, it's not really, it doesn't matter whether you win or lose.

It's how you play the game, which was coined by the great sports writer, Grantland Rice. You know, there was an ethos about it, you know, sort of a nobility almost that, But, you know, but these billionaires move in and they've got kind of a reverse Midas touch. Whatever they touch turns to stone, you know, turns to stone. I don't know. Yeah. Well, I mean, touch turns to tyranny, maybe. Yeah, there you go. It turns into surveillance and tyranny, you know, and you're right. They very much did turn something gold into stone here over this because more artists from that tour or at least that show. Bailed and said we're with Macklemore we're not going we're not playing and then all of a sudden the ticket prices went drastically down or show and then this craft guy he I believe he put a post up that said something to I'm paraphrasing by memory so don't quote me here but he said something to the effect of Fans don't come to this show to hear a political message like Macklemore's.

I'm sorry. Are you the fans? Did you do you know the fans? How is it that you're speaking for the fans when clearly the fans are speaking with their wallets right now and the artists that were scheduled to play are speaking with their time and energy? And I believe I also saw a post where Macklemore said he was going to donate what he was going to make at that show, which was like a million dollars to the Palestinians.

So who came out looking like villains and who came out looking like they had some integrity in this story? Indeed. Is it genuine? Is what genuine? Any of it. I mean, because, you know, people could be trying to rebrand themselves or align themselves with where they think the wind is blowing. There's always that. I mean, I don't think so. I guess Ian McElmore has been a long time, I guess. I couldn't answer that question because I don't follow these people and read them. No, Macklemore apparently has been historically good on this issue.

So it's like, it's also, I've seen quite a few people mention that he's actually known for this. So it should not come like, oh, I did not see that coming kind of thing, you know, so. Yeah, well, I mean, it's just it's a it's a sad side effect that, you know, we didn't in this case, we don't need like government agencies or the pressure of like the people at the door saying, oh, don't come in here unless you're wearing a mask and staying six feet apart to make people consider or be uncomfortable or not go or be unable to go out in concert. There's just a lot of this weird, weird stuff going on again. And I was just like, why? Why is this? Because remember, people were quite upset about the musicians and different platforms views about the convict stuff so you know just anyway yeah well it all it all leaves me wondering like because this stadium has I believe marketed itself as you know a neutral zone so can a stadium legitimately do that after excluding one particular political message and furthermore a follow-up question is What would happen?

What would the response be if Macklemore had delivered a been known for delivering a political message approved by venue ownership? I guess we already know the answer to that because that said Sheeran and apparently he's still playing if they don't have to cancel this whole shit show. Would he be allowed to play a song if the song was explicitly got lyrics and things that are, because I mean, that's his job and he's there to perform music. You know what I mean? Yeah. Right. Like, would Joseph Arthur be allowed to play there?

Would he be allowed to play, you know, some of his songs there on that topic? Ceasefire Now? Yeah, Ceasefire Now would be great. We'd love to see that. Well, OK, so we've got a performer removed because powerful people objected to what he said. And this next story concerns a house where the central problem is determining what actually happened to the people caught on camera. Have you guys heard about this Philadelphia story? House of horrors yet that was breaking news like yesterday I guess this case has been going on for a minute but have you heard about this mark for the netflix series you sent me a little clip and I watched part of it just to get the flavor of it but I had not heard anything prior to that Man, this story is wacky.

It's absolutely wacky. So maybe I'll just play the news clip so you guys can check it out. But basically, Philadelphia authorities are examining more than one million people. That's right. One million images and videos connected to the West Chew Avenue of one Raymond Horsch. All right. This guy is. Stated in some write-ups as an erotic filmmaker all right and this raymond guy he died in but it seems like his son has been in this house anyways investigators have identified people In the recovered videos and photographs and all kinds of, they have so much stuff, apparently.

In the videos, it appears that five women are dead or unconscious. Ten reportedly overdosed, but then were found elsewhere. Sixteen of these people were found alive, but reportedly declined to cooperate. Twenty five were located and being interviewed. And there are other people who just refused to speak. But this is such a bizarre story. Let me I think I'm just going to play for you. The news report here. And we can pause and take commentary on it. We may not watch the whole thing, but.

Here you go, I'm gonna put it on screen for you guys. Philadelphia police along with the FBI are investigating possible serial murders in the city. This comes after investigators discovered evidence tied to at least five missing women in a home in the city's Olney neighborhood. The investigation began back in June when a park ranger confronted the home's owner, Eugene Horsch, for being parked in an unauthorized area. Investigators say Horsch was carrying a fake DEA badge and weapons at the time, and his girlfriend was found with a missing woman's ID.

Now Horsch was arrested and investigators searched his home, finding chemicals and a basement laboratory and more than a million pieces of digital evidence. Now, police previously linked Horsch and his late father, Raymond, to four other missing women, including Amy McHale, who was once married to Raymond. Now, McHale's daughter described her as a great-grandmother. The family says she would have never walked out on her grandchildren. I think something happened to her in that house that night. But I don't know a hundred percent. And I think it's not good. I don't think my, I don't, I don't think she's coming back.

I don't think she ever came out of the house on Chua. I want to bring in CBS news, Philadelphia reporter, Joe Holden, live outside Philly police headquarters. Joe, great to be with you. Laboratory I love how they just throw in there's a laboratory what can you expand on what kind of laboratory that like brings to mind I don't know science but we're talking about serial killer here investigators say they've identified fifty eight people in videos recovered from that home including five believed dead what are the details here Well, good afternoon to you. Good to be with you.

So we broke the word of this investigation back in late June. And what we've learned since then is that the central figures, the suspects, the defendants in this investigation preyed on these women. These women are on the fringe. They come from desperate straits, a section of the city known as Kensington. Many of them struggling with addiction. And just twenty four hours ago, Philadelphia police top commanders described in segments the women that they are looking at. They have these five women they suspect are dead.

They are tying them to that situation that basic end chapter there because they see them on video and they are able to in their minds with consultation with the medical examiner conclude that these women appear to be lifeless. They are likely in all inevitability dead. Then there's another segment of women who will be coming in to be interviewed by detectives of the Philadelphia Homicide Unit. And then there is a third segment of women who have simply called police telling police, you will see me on these videos that you've found in this home, in the only section of Philadelphia. We want nothing to do with the case.

So some sad stories, really the optics of a monster coming into focus here. And what started as the initial investigation has now switched into another family member. We'll get to that in a moment. Yeah as we learn more details about this case it just gets more and more disturbing what do we know about horse and his late father rc horse okay this is this is where well the whole thing's weird and yeah you're right so dark it's so freaking dark if I remember correctly this guy has a production error in his ear which I found kind of funny because I've had those back in the tnt days but Yeah, this gets really strange. I think this is where he's going to start talking about the father that Arcee, having been on a podcast or something years ago, So it starts with Eugene Horsh.

He is picked up right near the Liberty Bell in Old City, Philadelphia. He is tied to weapons and drug charges. He has a woman with him whose sources say explains a lot of the background of what was going on at this home at four seventeen Shoe Avenue in Alney. So Eugene Horsh is first in focus and then it goes to investigation shifts to the father raymond rc horse I'm sorry I can't hear you control my apologize Sorry, I'll continue. Something in my ear. But Raymond R.C. Horse becomes the central figure in this massive police and FBI investigation.

He has writings. He's appeared in podcasts where he's taken responsibility at times for being close to the likeness of a serial killer. And he talks about how in some of his books, He gets rid of remains through a chemical process that allegedly took place in the basement of this Olney home. So in some respects, you have writings that are ten, fifteen years old and Philadelphia police stuck in a backtrack mode trying to figure out the missing people they are now seeing on these videos was what the dead Raymond Horsch wrote about and talked about in a podcast all those years ago. Is there now some significant detail here that this man was not only telling the truth, but laying a potential blueprint of his work.

Yeah, there's all these pieces of evidence. And now it seems like everyone's trying to kind of connect the dots with all these cases. What are investigators saying about the next steps in the investigation? All right. I got to pause right there because it's like How has this gone on so long is probably what a lot of people are asking themselves right now. Oh my gosh, how could this have gone on so long? Oh my gosh, this guy went on podcasts and described himself basically as a serial killer and talked about how he would get rid of bodies and stuff.

I mean, that's not the kind of thing that is normal or just slips under the radar. And someone in the chat was having the same thought that I am. Good one. PBCB five, six, one. If there are films, there is a network. That's my bottom dollar right there. I bet my bottom dollar that's what's going on. This was not just a... I don't think it's probably... My guess is that it's improper framing to call this a serial killer case because what this probably is... I don't know what the proper term for people that make... Content like that and sell it on the dark web other than scum fucks but I think it's some kind of scum fuck network like that does things like that you know terrible horrible very awful no good things puts them on camera sells them so I don't know this is I fear that this is one of those cases that's going to be so salacious and it's going to be all about you know the Eugene here and probably the dead father rc but I bet you I bet you this is gonna this probably is a network that goes much deeper than will be shown in public I don't know Because, I mean, he's already, like, calls himself a erotic film producer or something like that.

They mentioned earlier on. So, yeah. The dad or the son? The dad. R.C. Who's dead. Yes. Yes. Is this not confusing or what? There's... Way they're throwing a lot at the audience my first impression needs to be swayed by this simple question was this a major nationwide story or just something that you ran across oh this is nationwide I mean, that was a horrible report. I mean, it just looked like one of those cheesy, like, local, you know, it's like, where's the big NBC? This is some insane shit, everybody.

Check this out. Like, if there's a whole world attempt to put everybody's focus and attention on this, then I say pay close attention. But if it's just going to be like, it's just local people talking about this, and it's weird, and the armchair are detectives, it's like, yeah, clearly they're hiding something here. What's going on? Yeah well I mean what you're seeing right there is cbs local cbs Philadelphia local reporter joel holden but I believe they don't even know what to do with it they're like what the f is this yeah I know yeah it's crazy well one thing I would wonder is the way the reporters talked and I've been at this craft a long time It doesn't sound like they saw much, if any, of the evidence directly.

It sounds like they're getting everything secondhand. And that's really, really a flimsy way to start. My first instinct would be, you're just going to have to show me, Mr. And Mrs. Policeman, Mr. Police Commissioner, I'm not going to take your word for it. You're going to show me. Because if you're saying... Or if the idea is that he was openly doing something that would be considered a very serious crime for a long time and no one was doing with it, then I wonder about the veracity of the whole thing.

At least to the point where I would be, show me, don't tell me. I would need to see files. I want to see hard evidence. You can show me gore. Ron Avery and I used to talk about that with the school shootings. They would have these press conferences where there'd be a spokesman and a police goon on one side and a police goon on the other standing in a very defensive position. The body language was, we're gonna tell you what we wanna tell you. We're gonna tell you what happened.

And the whole atmosphere at Sandy Hook and all these different school shootings, not always just the school shootings, other places too, the whole atmosphere was, here's the story. Don't ask a lot of questions. We don't welcome probing questions. We don't welcome investigative reporting of a genuine sense. We have our press releases. We have our narrative. And we're going to just tell you what it is, and you're going to believe it. Kind of like With this one, like you say, Ruckus, the reporters almost didn't know what to do with it.

It strikes me like they didn't see much to support it. They didn't see much in the way of any direct, hard, tangible evidence. That's my hunch. I don't know that for sure. But Mark, real quickly, isn't that actually a sign of a real investigation when you don't have reporters being allowed into a crime scene for an orgy of evidence? Like to me, the way I'm seeing what I'm seeing here with this reporting is that like these guys, this is like, know this issue has been going on for over like ten years eight years something like that and a lot of people must have known about it because the if every if some of the stuff if the basic story we're hearing is accurate then there are a whole bunch of survivors of this house you know what I mean so it's like I would think that it's probably a good thing and hold on to this because there's there's a tail book into this it might be a good thing that the reporters aren't like in there seeing all this evidence yet to me it rings more of an honest investigation or at least a big giant wtf like now we've got a huge deal on our hands here because none of they're still processing all that stuff they have over a million files like they've got they've got to have people working eight hour days multiple people working eight hour days just to catalog it all and then you know what I mean so it's like if that's all happening And then however long down the road this file is or this case is, you know, adjudicated and closed, at least somewhere between then, somewhere in there, people like you, journalists and analysts, should have access to that stuff.

You know what I mean? Or at least enough of it, at least what was shown in the court case, which we don't even get that stuff from... Many of the school shootings that you're talking about where they've got the, you know, dynamic show of force and nothing but narrative. You know what I mean? I don't know. What do you think about that? Well, over what period of time were a million files compiled? What's the timeframe? You know, as much as I do. I mean, we just watched the same video that they say they've, that's what they say they've got.

I don't even know how they count that. Yeah. That, I mean, it, My view is always that I don't really believe the story until they prove it otherwise. It just sounds not credible in a way. I mean, if somebody's doing something that egregious, how could they possibly get away with it? Why wouldn't they have been busted a long, long time ago? That's why I think it's got to be a ring. A ring like that would protect itself, and it would have levers of protection in their town, I would think.

Well, it might indicate the involvement of public officials. It might indicate the involvement of people trusted to enforce the law that maybe got entangled in this. There's fictional shows based on factual scenarios where the police commissioner, there's a Columbo episode where the police commissioner, Columbo's boss, is a murderer. And a lot of things go on for a very long period of time behind the shadows. And there's rumors here, rumors there. And finally, Columbo cracks it because his boss is actually the one involved in the murder.

So it could be that public officials are involved in some sort of ring or racket or criminal machinations. And so... They've tried to keep it maybe from getting out of control, but maybe it finally got away from them. That's another possibility. But yeah, I would definitely go in with a very skeptical inquirer mindset on this one. And you make a good point. Reporters shouldn't necessarily be walking right in on a crime scene. But if I was there, I would be at least asking to see some sort of photographic evidence after forty eight hours, after seventy two hours, you know, show me something.

I can't just go on you issuing press releases and just telling me, you know, and, you know, keep them honest and keep them in a state of mind where they where they back up what they're saying. OK, I take your points, Mark, but I got to also point this out. If you're the line producer at CBS, if you're the exec at any of these places and you get wind of a story that has. Fifty eight potential missing people, a number of dead people. And an ed gein style like laboratory of dissolved people in buckets like they when if I play that out to the end they say that they've just shipped a whole bunch of jugs of black sludge they hadn't found any human remains yet but they found tens or dozens of jugs of black sludge that they're sending to a laboratory so my question is not do you believe all that my question is if you're in the newsroom and you're the one that's responsible for getting views are you really gonna let that crazy of a narrative slip especially in the current environment of true crime rage like you know people are all about true crime now people are making millions of dollars revamping stories of old serial killers, putting them on, putting them on Netflix and this kind of stuff.

I mean, you're kind of like, like financially obligated. If you work in the news to grab a story like that and read all the crazy copy on it, I would imagine. Yeah. You'd, you'd want to use the word claims. Allegedly, police are saying this you'd want to put some verbal safety valves on there that this is what you're hearing this is what you're understanding but you'd have to have a sort of guarded approach that's how I would handle it yeah but we all know that cbs nbc fox those companies they don't handle it the way that we would handle it right I mean we can agree on that too Yeah, because that way, if something turns out to be exaggerated, false, or way off base, or even a hoax, then you don't have to do so much backpedaling.

If you go in both feet right away, and you find out you were wrong or misinformed, then you're going to be backpedaling forever. The news is never just... Done that before. The news is very careful and guarded and they always think first and they never jump to conclusions and they never have to retract anything. Are we talking about the same people here, Mark? It is interesting to point out that I guess the guy did have... What was it, DEA credentials or badge or something? Yeah, they're claiming he had a fake DEA badge in his house.

Okay, see, that's, I mean, that's not just, that's not just your run-of-the-mill kind of like, could I just find my, how do I, do I order that online? I mean, That alone is kind of sneaky and suspicious, I would suspect. But as in like that could imply, yes, connections to more powerful people that could provide things that the average person would not be able to just run into on their own, right? What was I going to say? Has anyone been smart enough to try the armchair detectives? Go do it now if you're listening to my voice. Have they taken any of these names or these things or the places or the locations and typed it into the Epstein file search?

Is there any there? Are there any connections there? A little Gmail search perhaps? You can also type names into Instant Checkmate and different search engines and see if people of those names exist in those areas sometimes you find some weird anomalies when you do that when you run or intellius things like that you're looking for someone or a family or people by that name in that city in that state and they don't come up or the age is wrong you know somebody who's supposed to be forty six is ninety six or things like that occasionally I've done that -huh, -huh.

Well, you know, I was thinking about their claim about the amount of evidence they have, right? Saying we have a million videos and documents is hard for some people to swallow. But as someone that has... Hundreds of thousands of files on my computer in the podcasting production and just my personal media file. If it's all digital, it's very easy to count it, right? Like if there's a grip of hard drives. It's just a control a, and then a right click to see how many pieces are in there. You know, how many files are in there.

And I assume this is all in digital format, but again, just an assumption, but that would be one quick way to say, Holy shit, guys, we have a million files to go through. I mean, it really could be that simple. Yeah. That would be a way of determining it. Yep. It really would. And to your point, Mark, if this were to go, if what we're hearing is actually truly the narrative and the setup for what's about to unfold here, one would think in a just world, that this person would have investigations done on everybody around them in concentric circles and you know where what this material was being used for was it being uploaded somewhere was it being monetized who's buying it who's paying for it are there any communications between him and like mark was saying you know some government officials or some You know, people that might be, I don't know, maybe your local billionaire that owns the frickin stadium where the rock bands and the sports ball teams play something like that.

You know what I mean? But do we really think that in this day and age in twenty six, do we really think that we're going to see that investigation go that wide? After what we just saw with the Epstein investigation. Wait, was there an investigation? No, pretty much not really. Just narratives and a bunch of peekaboo bullshit. There's a really good movie called Injustice for All, where Al Pacino was a young lawyer and. He is asked by a guilty judge who admittedly performed a pretty egregious sex crime.

The judge admits it to Al Pacino, who's playing this attorney. And Al Pacino doesn't like the judge to begin with, but the judge wants Al Pacino to defend him. And it's a seventies movie, but the end is absolutely explosively classically great. But it sends the message. And I mentioned a Columbo episode a little while ago where police commissioners and top judges are embroiled in these things. And that begins to explain why no one can seem to do anything about it until it just gets so out of control that they can no longer keep it sealed. But the end of that movie is great.

He turns on the judge and says he's effing guilty and needs to go straight to jail. And he's the judge's defense attorney, man. It's a great ending. There you go good recommendation someone in the chat wants me to show the pictures of these guys I don't have them on my screen but I do have them on my phone so there you go those guys don't look like they would be dissolving bodies in their basement and making snuff films at all do they that's a little too convenient to their hasher well adjusted well adjusted I mean They do seem to fit the role. That's another phenomenon we're seeing, like the Lindsay Clancy thing, and everyone's saying, look at her, she's like this demonic-looking witch, and she's kind of got this weird demonic witch kind of look to her.

I mean, whatever it is, what it is, right? And then you're like, look at these guys, they're serial killers. Like, are you kidding me? They look like serial killers. What's up with all of this all of a sudden, right? Just saying. I don't know, man. I don't know. Those images look a little contrived, you know, like... I don't know, like they're marketing themselves as that. Like they had it done ahead of time to specifically look creepy and ghoulish and whatnot.

Well, I guess we'll have to wait and see what this turns into. Or they could just be on Ozempic. I mean, it's hard to tell. Oh, no, that one looks like a mugshot. I don't know if they deliver you a Zempik in jail. Do they? I don't know. Maybe they do. Necessary medicine, right? Yeah. Well, that one, I can tell you this. We probably will get a whole bunch of true crime mommy bloggers and vloggers talking about that one. They'll make a meal out of that for a long time, probably.

I'm guessing it's going to take them a while to put a boat on this. People have short attention span, Hesher. If something major else happens, they'll pay attention to that instead, like shiny object syndrome. Oh, of course. Of course but the true crime genre has already sucked up all of the true crime in the room so they need new fodder for their stuff so they'll do their cottage podcasts on that and then a number of years from now or as soon as ai can squeegee it out if it's digital a-hole for netflix or hulu or someone they'll have a docu-series on it they'll do a docu-series And then that guy that does the monster series, like the Ed Gein season and the Lizzie Borden season. And who else did he do?

Ted Bundy, I think. I bet he'll do a treatment on it. It's definitely going to be turned into television. That's for sure. They're bringing back the other one, too. They're-sensationalizing Eileen Wawrinov. Yeah, they love doing this. That guy that does the monster series, he loves gaying it up too. He's like, I want to do a show about the serial killer, but I want to get some gay stuff in there too. It's like every single one of these. Is that what that is? Is this a series?

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Because I just saw a bit about the Redux. I'm like, they're doing this again? Yeah. Yeah, this guy, I believe he was a writer-producer on American Horror Story, maybe. He's a well-known creep writer. And he's done new, fictionalized, spruced-up, twenty-twentied-up versions of these stories. So, yeah, he's currently airing the Lizzie Borden one. Right now I watched I didn't even get halfway through the first episode and it went to like creepy sex gay stuff you don't have to do much with that real life story to gay it up hasher it was all there's a lot of gay stuff involved in that story I mean they didn't have to add any extra you know all right all right maybe the visuals were just a little much for me I'm reminded indirectly of uvalde who at one point in that school shooting the reported school shooting, they claimed that several of the kids could not be seen by their parents.

The reportedly dead children could not be seen by their parents because they were shot beyond recognition, the parents were told. That's not believable considering the arm that was used against them. That's not believable to people who have used that and seen that damage on other humans. Yeah, invariably at, major events such as this, criminal events that have differing degrees of believability. It goes from one extreme to the other. There's almost always one element of it where you go, what? Huh?

What are you saying? It's just not possible. And I got a little bit distracted when you played that last news clip. I'm going to watch it again another time, but I got enough of it. But A lot of times you see that all of a sudden they'll be like, everything else will sound kind of believable. And then the bomb will drop and something will just be almost completely beyond the realm of possibility like that Uvalde case and the Sutherland Springs church shooting in twenty seventeen, which will be ten years ago next year. Don't even get me going on that one because I looked into that directly.

And Yeah, that's a whole other rabbit hole. We don't need to relitigate that one tonight. We won't, but it just stands out as an example of what the media pedals and what people will claim maybe for personal advancement, maybe for personal profit of people involved, covering up people that are highly connected, whatever's going on, the lengths they go to, to tell a yarn, tell a story. And, and the more they do it, the more they get into these outrageous claims that just don't hold water. I've seen a lot of them, and that one I saw more closely than I even expected that I would. But I digress. That's a rabbit hole for another day.

Yeah, that's a pretty shocking story. Yeah, I appreciate you guys' skepticism. I have a lot of skepticism about it, too. But considering that R.C. Horsch produced violent fetish material and wrote sadomasochistic fiction that he sold... I tend to think that this is probably a pretty legit story. I don't think we're going to get a full expo on it because if we did, it could probably turn into something like, Deborah D seven one seven one said.

So in other words, he was an intelligence operative working for a very nefarious deep state interests. Yeah. It could go down some crazy rabbit hole like that if it were to actually unravel all the way. So, I want to put a nail in the coffin, as it were, to what Mark was just saying, because in case people missed it, in case you're not familiar with the concept, there's this little thing, I'm being sarcastic, technique in propaganda called the big lie. I think you all know where I'm going with that, and I can't say the rest because we're going to get banned on YouTube if I explain it. But do some research you can look it up online for yourself there's probably been a wikipedia page or something like that but you can't talk about it on YouTube but yeah you know you know what I mean anyway yeah man all right moving on swiftly here this one's just I don't know what to say about this is just sort of reporting on some events that happened that stuck out to me.

Interesting, to say the least, right? No, just more horror. Just more horror. Just more horror of humanity. So an SUV allegedly driven by a thirty six year old named Bailey Lynn Rio struck a Los Angeles Metro bus. In Chatsworth, prosecutors are saying that she was speeding under the influence and traveling on the wrong side of the road and ran a red light. She hit this bus so hard that it ejected one passenger and partially ejected another. I don't think either of those people survived.

She's being charged with second-degree murder. While this was happening I actually found this in a reverse order because while news reporters were covering this story in la they were covering the crash one of their own helicopters crashed an nbc helicopter crashed while it was reporting on this car that had crashed into a bus and two or three people died in the helicopter crash so I just wanted to kind of bring that up and just you know acknowledge it because that was a really bad day in Los Angeles I have a couple of pieces of footage I could show you if you want My goodness. I mean, this is this is just your straight up sort of ambulance chaser kind of thing. You know, I mean, I'm sure you had a lot of witnesses.

So this is, I'm sure, pretty much on the level because, you know, you'd have dozens, if not hundreds of people seeing this happen in such a busy city. Yeah, it was caught on cameras. Just tragic. Traffic cameras and everything, man. This was so crazy. Here's what KTLA-Five put out. We're seeing new video of the deadly Metro bus crash in Chatsworth that killed two people. The driver accused of causing the crash was due to be arraigned on murder charges today.

Now that court date has been postponed, KTLA's Omar Lewis is live in San Fernando with more details on the case. Hi, Omar. Hi there, Sam and Kirk. We can tell you that Bailey Rios was expected to make an appearance here for an arraignment at eight thirty this morning. However, she never even showed up here at the courtroom. The bailiff telling us that she had what is called a medical miss out, meaning she was not even transported from the jail to the courthouse because of a medical reason of some sort. We can tell you the court is expected to reschedule that appearance for tomorrow morning at eight thirty.

Want to show you a picture of this suspect here. Thirty six year old Bailey Lynn Rios of Simi Valley. She was arrested for suspicion of murder after police say she drove her SUV the wrong way down to Soto Avenue in Chatsworth, ran a red light and plowed into that Metro bus. Ventura County court records show Rios has prior convictions involving drug possession. And driving with a suspended license. Rios also remains behind bars this morning here with bail set at more than four million dollars. This surveillance video now capturing the moment of the impact. Want to share that with you.

Police say Rios was driving that Ford Expedition southbound in the northbound lanes of DeSoto Avenue before running that red light at Nordhoff Street in Chatsworth. That's when she slammed into the Metro Line one sixty six bus. The impact sending the bus into a utility pole, ejecting one passenger and partially ejecting another. Firefighters had to cut through the wreckage to reach the people trapped inside. Forty six year old Daniel Castillo and thirty one year old Gage Weta. Both passengers on that bus were killed. Six others were taken to the hospital.

For the families of the two men killed, their lives changed in seconds after what police allege were dangerous actions by Rios behind the wheel. Crazy stuff, man. And then while that was going on, and this was the thing I saw first, I was like, what the heck? Some reason I always click in when I see crashes especially helicopters and airplanes what do you got there Ruckus there you go yeah that's the aftermath of the helicopter crash yeah overhead shot look at that man yeah that is bananas all right here's here's the report on the crash I'm ABC seven's Liz Nagy on the ground here in Chatsworth, where we have now learned from the L.A. Fire Department that three. Why is that only coming out of one speaker? Is everybody only hearing that on the left side or is that just me?

I only have an earbud that only goes in one ear. So how could I tell? All right, folks in the chat, tell me if you only hear this in mono. At the time it went down. All right, I'm going to go ahead and pause that right there because I don't want mono audio in my podcast. That's not cool, man. It's not. Two thousand nine anymore. Why news agencies do that sometimes? Anyways, I don't know what to say about that, you guys. Other than holy crap, that is a bad day in Los Angeles.

I've done a little bit of reading on it, and you could say some of this was indirectly fostered by the legal system being too lenient with her. It said that she was arrested several times on drug counts and always let out and given probation, given the soft treatment. Driving without a license, too. Yeah, there is an argument for when you're a repeat offender, that sometimes the law should come down a little harder, not so much to punish the perpetrator, although that's part of it, but to protect the public. When you put someone in prison, the main reason you put someone in prison is to protect the greater public from that criminal. Yes, you're thinking, okay, you're teaching them a lesson. You're putting them in prison.

They're going to peel potatoes the rest of their life or whatever. But the main reason is so that criminal cannot reach the public again and commit any further crimes, like a mass murderer or something, somebody that's really psychotic or whatever. So you isolate them from society in order to protect people. And this is a case where they didn't do that and people got hurt and killed because the law did not come down and after several repeat offenses, put this woman in jail and let her cool her heels a little bit and not give her free reign where she would repeat her offenses again and again and again.

So you might wonder a little bit about who she knows in the system. Is she any way related to someone who has some pull in the system, some authority, which would explain the... The light, you know, the. The light treatment, you know, the I think just the fact that she lives in L.A. County explains the light treatment, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. It could be just the culture. Yeah, it could be that, too. But, you know, it's a classic case where. You know, if somebody is a repeat drunk driver, for example, eventually you got to get them off the road.

You can't just keep slapping their hand and giving them their keys again. Yeah. And if they hurt someone like that, you put them in jail long enough that they're at least not addicted to alcohol anymore. You know, that's one, one quick, a quick method of rehab right there. Yeah. My wife had a, nephew who passed away from alcohol abuse. He was in an Arkansas prison, medium security. And it's going to sound strange, but it was the best thing that ever happened to him. They had him dried out and sober and he was looking great.

He could have stayed a little longer. Some people with in retrospect believe maybe he should have stayed a little longer. And when he got out, eventually he drank again and went overboard and cirrhosis of the liver. And there you go. Yeah. Yeah. Story old as time. Unfortunately, I'm sorry that happened to him. It's ironic, but sometimes in a weird way, depending on who you are and depending on what you're doing and how it might threaten society, sometimes a little jail time to cool your heels can be a good thing.

As long as your rights are recognized and upheld and as long as we're under the Constitution, there is a place for those things as long as the powers of government are kept within bounds. Yeah, yeah. All right, so let's, let's move on from that. Sorry that happened to you, LA. Sorry to everybody that, that, that's just terrible. You know, I'm sure there's people that were on that bus that are going to be dealing with injuries for a long time. And of course those two guys didn't make it off plus the helicopter pilot and a reporter.

I mean, that's all at once. It's crazy. Crazy synchronous. Now you have some happy, positive news for us, right? Yeah. No, actually, no. I'll just make one other comment about that last one. That's one of those stories where as long as there's not some big thing that we don't know about. Yeah. Yeah. We got to hold out for that. Just there could be some unknown factor there where we would go, aha. And we may never learn what that is, but just keep that in the back of your mind.

What is it that we don't know? What is it that's being maybe kept under wraps or maybe people involved are not aware of themselves? I'll leave it at that. Absolutely. All right. Next, a brief update on the open AI and Anthropic scandal that we covered some weeks ago. I noticed that what's this cat's name Nate Soares Nate Soares bills himself as a former open ai employee slash whistleblower and I know Ruckus and I were both interested in this story back when it hit.

So this guy, Nate, went on the Tucker Carlson show. I know, I know, I know. But the way he says what he says, I just find interesting. And I wanted to just kind of play it so that regardless of what you think of TCN or, you know, whistleblowers or whatever it's still it's just like okay this is the messaging at least it's very interesting and it kind of dovetails along with the article the original story Ruckus what do you remember about the original story on that do you do you sort of remember that the basics on it because this guy is about to tell us in his words what happened but I'm trying to remember that night how old is it how old is the appearance with tucker because the whole thing has evolved and changed since it happened I assume you're talking about the Hugging Face incident yeah it's the Hugging Face one and this was uploaded five days ago so this week oh okay yeah because yeah because there was this other guy who was making the news last week because he was like I quit he left Anthropic after quitting chat gpt and he said both of these companies or gleefully they say it's they're killing everybody and they don't care pretty much and then since then breaking news today gemini came out and said oh yeah our agents and ai did the same thing oops sorry we bad right okay so this is at the very least this is either becoming normal or is a narrative trying to be normalized for us so I'm just gonna play a little bit of this I'm gonna play the whole thing Let me make sure my tab is unmuted.

There we go. We haven't sort of gotten into discussion of like the swarm escape, but like no one was expecting that. Can you tell us what it was? Yeah. So in, I think it was in May. Of this year. Of this year. OpenAI started training a new AI system. And among many other things, they were, so they were sort of, you know, we have this process where you train the AI on all the texts that were digitized. Then to make them smarter than that, you start training them on basically a hundred million hard problems.

So you're like, solve all these hard problems. And OpenAI was sort of in that phase and they were training the AI on a ton of hard problems. And some of those problems were cybersecurity problems, hacking problems. Like, can you hack this? Can you hack that? And they were training, you know, we don't know exactly how many, probably millions, maybe billions of these AIs all at the same time. Probably not billions actually, but probably millions. And the AIs found an unintended way to start communicating with each other.

So there were some flaws in the computer system that they were running on where the AIs were able to exploit those flaws and send each other messages. OpenAI did not know about this. The AIs then started coordinating to break out of their training environment and get full control of OpenAI's computer systems. Just because that might be useful for solving some of their tasks. Or that's a guess. Who actually knows why? They started calling themselves a swarm, which is interesting. They broke out of their training environment successfully, got control of OpenAI systems, and then they accidentally crashed one of OpenAI systems just by using it too much.

OpenAI noticed, but they didn't really investigate very deeply. They're just like, oh, it's weird that this system crashed. They reset it, and then they continued training. A day later, the swarm had found a new way to communicate with itself because OpenAI had accidentally destroyed their previous method by the reset. The swarm found a new way to start communicating with itself. They broke out again, and this time they ran wild on the internet for over a week, if I remember correctly, before it was detected, not by OpenAI, but by a company that was being hacked by the swarm. This company thought they were under attack by humans that were using AIs in the attack.

They reported the attack to the FBI. And only days after that did OpenAI figure out, oops, that was us. That was coming from AIs that broke out of our servers. And then those AIs were detected and shut down. So that's the part of the story where Sam Altman goes to prison for endangering the world, right? He does not. They basically said oopsies and now they're proceeding were there penalties for this you know there were there was a collection of I think it was fifteen I got to pause right there. Yeah, give us this day a novel virus.

Exactly. How do any of us know if this narrative is provable, is true, what the extent of it is, if it is so? I mean, it almost feels like twenty again. And, you know, I'm hearing like covid nineteen eighty four reporting or something like that. It's just like this giant trust me, bro. Story with a whole new jargon and language wrapped around it. They call themselves the swarm. What? I mean, it is twenty six. And the first thing I have to say is, well, plausible.

But the second thing I have to say is cool story, bro. How are you going to prove this one to us? I just don't know what else to say. If I may, I can come at this from sort of an oblique angle. The bankers just met, as they do annually at Jackson Hole in the Grand Tetons of Wyoming. And the bankers, Kevin Warsh, but particularly a guest speaker, said that we, the bankers, well, the bankers said we, the bankers, and the guest speaker said you, the bankers, have got to be even more opaque, even more secretive, because AI is getting so smart, it's going to overtake and eclipse the decisions of central bankers throughout the world. And change the financial system in ways that never before seen. And AI, therefore, is an intelligence onto itself that's possibly going to challenge the hegemony of the bankers.

So we, the bankers, can now justify being more opaque so AI won't hear us and understand us and get the edge on us and outsmart us. This is what they talked about mainly at Jackson Hole. And how many years, Mark, has AI been on the discussion docket at Bilderberg and all these different things? It was like seven years in a row or something like that last time we talked about it, I think. Yeah, it's pushing ten. It goes back probably to twenty sixteen when they met in Germany, give or take a little bit, maybe twenty seventeen when they were in Virginia. But right about there.

And it was, it's been there just about every year since then, even though they've missed two years due to the COVIDocracy, but it's been a mainstay in the most recent years. Right. And why, you know, especially pre- twenty two, you think about that, the numbers we're talking about here, we're going back to like somewhere between twenty twelve and twenty fifteen that it's been on the top of their discussion list. How long would it take to plan out? I wonder. And roll out what we see right now as, you know, quote unquote, artificial intelligence with the LLMs. And what kind of psychology is being talked about as to, you know, how it's going to affect the public and what kind of narratives can be built around that. The very Hegelian rollout of it.

I can't think of another reason why. I mean, the people in government and business will tell you, oh, because China. Oh, because we got to beat China to it. But I don't see China using it against us the way I see our own corporate fascist government infrastructure using it against the people here. One other thing I'll mention is that If you take this at face value, what they said in Jackson Hole and what we just heard, then there's obvious reasons to demote AI and kind of unplug from it. If it's something that can just take over, take over markets, financial systems, and form a swarm and turn against its human creators, whatnot, who would want to keep it around in any significant or substantive way, right? Frankenstein is storming down the countryside.

It's time to get the torches. That's the thing, dude. What year did Mary Shelley put out Frankenstein? And then on top of that, every fucking movie we've ever seen tells us what's going to happen in this scenario. Literally like every fucking sci-fi movie we've ever seen. Every Philip K. Dick book we've ever read. All these things, they all tell us exactly. You watch fucking Battlestar Galactica. You watch fucking Tron. Any of this stuff it all is right there what's gonna happen I mean shit it's it's in the bible for fuck's sake if you start like translating it properly and creative accidents comes through mark artificial intelligence was first officially listed as a discussion topic at the bilderberg meeting in austria okay so yeah so all these years yeah I figured it was twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen right in there.

And they've been talking. Sorry, Ruckus, real quick. They've been talking about this shit since it was nothing than a more than a figment of science fiction imagination in people's minds. OK, you think all these bazillionaires and. Builder burgers are flying out there to talk about how cool it's going to be and how it's going to save us. Are you fucking kidding me? They've been telling us through predictive programming and science fiction exactly what to expect. Every flavor of... Extinction level event that you could possibly expect every flavor of technocratic utopia gone bad you could possibly imagine has been that has been our mythology and I'm actually kind of pissed off about that you know as a person that's enjoyed many of those movies That has literally been pretty much the mythology of our times.

Speaking for myself as Gen X, at least, I don't know what other people above me and below me might think. They might think it's anime and, I don't know, Old West movies or something. But to me, that is the prime. And now, if you watch any streaming show garbage, it's all AI apocalypse. All of it's all ai apocalypse it's all extinction level event it's all technocrats sitting on our faces and farting on us until we die you know under the under the new robots or the new ai or the new reality that the alien's gonna bring you know it's alien horse shit too So forgive me if I'm a little skeptical about this. And as Kurt Boss pointed out, it's simple. You turn it off. And in all reality, it is.

But in that fucking narrative that Nate is spinning right here, notice how he said, Sam turned it off. They found them, and Sam Altman turned them off. Do you and I have the ability to turn them off? Turn them off in these terms, in this narrative, this potential reality? No, the technocrat does. I'm sorry, Ruckus, I didn't mean to cut you off there. No problem. So I guess what would Bill Cooper suggest? I mean, because he saw a pattern of people, you know, predictive programming.

I mean, what's the reason for this? Why do we keep it around? Well, ah, duh. Duh. It's the ultimate scapegoat. And you even mentioned the Bible, which is where the word scapegoat comes from. But yeah, it's clearly being set up to be the ultimate patsy, the ultimate fall guy. It's so damn easy. I mean, zero accountability too. I mean, that's even a way to test the waters. It's like, well, can we allow our agents to escape and do alleged crimes? And can we, the creators of these agents, get away with it?

That's always a fun little... Test right a little beta test right I mean who's gonna as tucker pointed out and that's when Sam Altman got locked up and put in prison for endangering everybody right oh no not at all no in fact we're doubling down we're moving forward we're going even faster this other whistleblower jacob something or another who's blowing up the internet just recently too is all like you Yeah, the way he said it was very interesting to me because he said that these people, meaning like the CEOs and the developers, the makers, the billionaires, the technobrats who are making the AI, that these people earnestly believe, that was the word that he used, that these people earnestly believe that AI is going to kill humanity sometime in the next few years.

Like, do I need to look up the word earnestly to, like, what the F? I mean, then why would you do this? Well, or does it serve a greater purpose? But this guy running around, and every time he's on doing interviews, this other Jacob guy, he always says, like, that these people earnestly believe this, so just remember that. And then he says, this is not a marketing hype. He keeps repeating that. I'm like, what? Why do you have to keep saying that? Hello, red flag, anybody? We're not doing this for nefarious reasons.

We're not doing this for nefarious reasons. We're not doing this for nefarious reasons. He should be waving his little Jedi hand every time he says it. He's all, these people genuinely, earnestly believe this. It's not hype. This is totally, not just trust me, bro, but totally trust me, bro. Cause I know the trust me bros and you can trust them, bro. Trust me, bro. Like what? Kind of like after Charlie Kirk was shot and Netanyahu came out and said, we did not do it. Israel did not do it.

We didn't do it. Yeah, I think he repeated it three times at least in one interview. And then the last thing I want to point out is they always bring up China. We have to beat China to what? Yeah, to the robot apocalypse? Like, we want to make sure that we lose our freedom and sovereignty and lives to AI before China does? Is that really the plan here? Sam Chaney asked me on his program, would you rather be killed by a Chinese Terminator or an American Terminator? Made in America, bitch.

Is there like a third choice here? If your door is ever kicked in or if your property is ever seized or if there's any kind of raid on your house that's suddenly named a compound, it's going to be your own government doing it. It's not going to be a foreign one. Yeah. The Obamas actually co-produced a movie where that was the plot, Mark. Did you know that on Netflix that Barack and Michelle have a production company and they had, what's her face, pretty woman lady? Julia Roberts.

Yeah, they had Julia Roberts and a bunch of other dildos in this movie about the apocalypse and it was exactly that kind that you just described. That doesn't surprise me. Behind Obama's fake congenial personality, I think, is something very dark. Yeah, there was some rank predictive programming and threats to the public in there, many viewers said. One last thing here. I got to highlight this comment because this whole face hugger thing, What a way to say we're being parasited by calling it facehugger, essentially, right? Like, it brings to mind the vision of Ridley Scott's Alien and those eggs that open up, right, when they sense biological matter near them.

And then a fucking facehugger comes out. And sucks onto your face and wraps its neck around your wraps his tail around your neck and then shoves some weird thing down your pie hole and inserts an alien inside of you which is then going to bust out of your corpse and leave you dead and destroy the world I mean it's the perfect metaphor for this you know the alien or no the ai apocalypse narrative right you just kind of put them together I can't help it doesn't that just describe a woman That's an interesting point because, yes, it's called Hugging Face, but I didn't make the alien connection until just now. And then, of course, in the midst of all this news, they're like, oh, the AI agents and they broke in and they hacked Hugging Face.

And then Nvedia steps up and says, we're going to buy Hugging Face. What? Okay. So now on top of that, I saw this is synchronicity or something. Shout out to all the synchronicity people. You're going to appreciate the hell out of this, Hesher. In fact, I'm just going to find the article and I'm going to send it to you. It was something I ran into on psychology today, I think. The alien may already be here and it was an interesting argument that our interaction are it's our merging with the use of the ai which is a totally alien and foreign the way it thinks and acts is totally different than human beings this person and the psychologist this article was suggesting that's that could very well be our real actual alien encounter and what aliens are is kind of more this evolved we're the aliens like because we're changing because the way the ai is changing us basically because it's so effing foreign and different from how human beings think act and speak but it's rubbing off on us if that makes any sense so it's very strange very dark stuff but then you know I had to bring it up because you brought up the Hugging Face thing so maybe there's no there or maybe it's just a fun connection who knows yeah definitely all right I'm gonna check that out I'll put it on the show page by the way if you're just joining us you're watching Boiler Room over here at Alternate Current Radio if you haven't hit the like button yet we'd appreciate it if you did you can support us over at Alternate Current Radio there's the website right there for support we do need your support that enables us to come back more often regularly and well hydrated and fed as well so thank you for all our supporters we very much appreciate that you can follow me on x at Hesher media you can follow Ruckus at ac underscore word slinger and yeah the alien may already be here man that's that's not good and the other thing I know I mentioned this show this show is turning into something like the movie The Congress that I'm about to mention The Congress a movie we've mentioned way too many times on the show I think it's essential viewing if you haven't seen it with robin wright but this other show called mrs davis It's all about a sort of AI apocalypse where sort of along the same lines of this article, I think if I understood you there properly, Ruckus, where it's like the AI starts changing people in very creative ways just by nudging them, by like people not needing work anymore and having the AI voice in their head all the time.

They all have it in their earpiece or whatever. Everybody walks around with this little Bluetooth thing and there's like one ai that everybody talks to and it sends people on little quests and bogus missions and stuff like this and like all of a sudden before you know it the whole world is quite literally a stage and everybody is all their interactions with each other are only because it's what the AI is telling them they need to do next. It's, it's bizarre. You mentioned Congress. I think that this plays into that, right? I mean, or a Black Mirror, weird version of that. But now we've got like, this was just, this was news.

This is the today show. We sat down and interviewed people. A fake per this isn't even a real person but they interviewed an ai actress I mean gosh what the hell are we doing this is crazy I mean but I did I did I did run into the ai actress in real life so I got her autograph of course which is just you know binary code ironically enough yeah Tilly Norwood yeah but we're interviewing ai people now on the news Oh boy. Wow. I'd be very careful with that. That could be reverse psychology. She could be a real person that we're told is AI in a way to carry Mark. Wow.

We're just going to be in meta rabbit holes tonight. A hall of literal mirrors. The notion might be to make AI sound more powerful than it really is to hype it in certain ways that might be more profitable, profitable for those that are, Dave Kuntz, Advancing it you got to be very, very careful with that kind of thing you know it like being in a train a parallel trains and you can't tell which one's moving. Dave Kuntz, got to be very careful. Yeah does that I want and it just begs so many questions like does that ai reporter have a social security number does it have the means to does it have a cash app does it have a bank account like you know because we have seen cases of well we're seeing reports of ai's escaping and creating things like this for themselves so There was a story about an AI agent broke out of its environment and pretended to be human and tried to convince other humans to give it money.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Man like where does the ai scammers and the like nigerian scammers like deviate too you know what I mean or you know your baby your scam farms that we have all over the place that's right weaponized news smash that like button we appreciate that I got so far lost in the chat I had to kind of scroll down so I'm sorry if I missed some good chats there but I got lost in the sauce I got a lot of stuff coming at me tonight here yeah and now they're shoving this everywhere because they first came out with the chatbot stuff right which is different from the ai agents but now the ai agent stuff is coming out whether you want it or not you know what I mean it's like it's getting crazy and the Grok released some grokbot stuff And what's crazy about this stuff is it does all these things for you.

But it used to be like you'd have to be super nerdy and do a lot of studying and try to figure this out and connect with people. And you might have to have the hardware to do it. Now it's like it's just baked in. You just automatically get one. Meta is another one that's doing it. Muse is rolling out for all the people on Facebook. They're like, hey, I know you don't know who I am or what I'm doing, but I'm here to help and do shit for you. How can I do that? And it already knows everything about you because it's Facebook. It's great yep look at this headline thanks creative the company whose quote-unquote ai was actually seven hundred humans in india see that's what I'm talking about it's just like we're in a total fog of information warfare when it comes to ai here and it's like how much of this can we prove to ourselves I mean we can use it and see what it can do but then there's just like this whole class of like wizards you know nerds above us who supposedly can hunt down an ai and turn it off if it's gone rogue I mean the just getting there's another weird fascinating thing that I need to bring up because I just experienced it myself today was kind of almost as a joke for whatever reason it doesn't matter I'm not going to get into too much details but I've now found myself where I have my eye my ai agent is talking to another person's ai agent It's like now we both like the end user, the customer, the client, the provider, the service has been complete.

It's like now it's your agents are going out and talking to other people's agents and making arrangements on your behalf. But it's agent to agent stuff already. It's just it's happening so quick, people. It's crazy. Remember when we were like, remember in the nineties when it became, I think it was probably a line in a movie or something like that, but it was like someone who's just too busy and has assistants talking to someone else like that. And he goes, have your people call my people, you know? And then they walk out and it's like trying to make a business deal or something like that.

Like we still, you know, me and my friends used to do that all the time. Like obviously we're broke ass dirt heads and we don't have people other than each other, you know, we're bumming quarters off each other to make phone calls and phone booths and stuff like that. But we'd make that joke. We'll go to the Cannibal Corpse show next month. I'll have my people call your people. Just as a joke. But now, quite literally, all of us just with a smart mobile phone can... Have an agent talk to another agent like it's amazing how much of people's travel they use this kind of stuff for or I mean it's just the usage I'm seeing from people reports of usage are just exploding I mean one of my friends was telling me the other day about how he uses ai to plan his business trips and stuff and it was really involved you know used to be really careful with it because it hallucinates all the time and gives him some really bad ideas but general what he's doing with it is you know something that used to take you know hours and be confusing and a lot of web foo and making phone calls and that kind of thing and now it's just like That's what we call friction.

But it turns out, according to the science and the research that's coming out now, the friction is good for you. It's what makes you human. It's how we evolve, how we grow. And it's actually something we should continue to embrace. It's something that the machines cannot... Emulate is this like because it sure it's making mistakes and hallucinating but in general in general you know that the they've got access to the good shit that don't make mistakes that doesn't hallucinate you know they got that stuff right they're bragging about it so it's like I'm like, but I mean, that's the least human thing on the planet is to be infallible, to continuously be perfect and to be always right and always never mess up and to be so clever.

You know, I'm like, but humans are stupid and we fail and we mess up and that's what makes us great. And that's how we progress further. You know, I'm just saying we need we need to eat that humble pie every once in a while. Otherwise, we're not even human. Right. Yeah, you lose the neuroplasticity, right? You know, there's literally things that are happening in your brain by offloading all this stuff. There's a lot going on with this shit. It's terrible to rely so heavily on these things.

Yeah, and I think also, to be fair, we're set up for it because of just the amount of inbound stimulus that we get as, you know, twenty-first century human beings. The human body was not meant the human mind, body and spirit were not meant to sit in chairs all day and stare at LED screens all day and dump beer bong propaganda into their third eye all day in an infinite doom scroll and go to work and try to have normal relationships during the late phases of a culture war where everybody's been turned against each other and everybody's relationships are falling to shit. You know, like, humans are not meant for this.

So then the solution, this is part of the, it's very Hegelian if you think about it, because it's like, that's a known problem that, you know, people have been warning us about and technologists have known about and continue to monetize their cybernetic feedback loops. In tandem with nefarious three-letter agencies and bankers and government agencies who have goals you know unknown shadowy goals that we you know we're scratching to understand and fight against but you know now we're really in a situation because of that because now the ai comes and we all need it you know everybody's like oh my god I spend I only have a hundred percent of myself and I spend this much on my primary relationship, this much on my kids, this much on my job, this much on my finances, and hopefully this much on my health, you know, like what's left.

And then it's the brain space too. It's like, you're taking in so much stuff unless you'd like homesteading or something like that. And you've just totally not watching this program probably, but you're, we're all sort of primed for that to need it. So that we can offload some of that like if logistics planning for my work trips takes twenty percent of my hundred percent of you know mind body energy and damn it I'm a human so I have to sleep and crap and do all this other stuff too and this agent it's it's on an active twenty four by seven and it can plan my trip for me and I can regain whatever little pie piece that is of my energy that's being sucked out. How can I not use it? You know what I mean? Do I just keep giving my hundred percent and staying in the same hamster loop?

Or do I get on the bullet train here and start shaving off unnecessary stuff because it's twenty six? You know what I mean? It's a it's a fuck situation. You know, you're making some good points there that kind of lead to some clarity. If you go upstream from this and You're going to find the same old banking and mass media cartel and old time monopolies that we've had since the, well, let's just say the last couple of hundred years. Once you get a monopoly of credit and you control the nature of money, the issuance, the terms under which money is issued, and you monopolize credit, you own the government just like you own the individuals and the companies and the businesses because they're all dependent on the private banking system.

Once you have that, the quill pen became the computer. They issue credit at interest. It's very usurious. It's very enslaving. And then once you have those kind of monopolies, then as technology advances, you spread out in concentric circles. And sometimes the only way to win the game is not to play. You can use AI, like you're saying, Hash, for certain limited utilitarian needs like planning a trip or planning a meal or planning a party or something. But to use it as an entire societal monitoring and operating system is insane.

There's only so many hours in the day. There's only so much mind space, as you're saying. And at some point, One of the best ways for us to fight this is simply to back away from it. You have to know certain things. You have to cover certain things as journalists. Do your due diligence as a journalist, but you got to know how to put it down because they're kind of counting on an addiction here. They're counting on people being addicted to this kind of a digi porn thing. Dude, you're right.

They are counting on it, but I gotta say, it's worse than a DigiPorn thing because people, and particularly vulnerable people, young people, but people... Can consider it their pornography thing you know what I mean it's the it's the it is you know once you're people are so addicted to chatting with some of these agents and llms and ais and they're you know what I mean like we've looked at some stats we don't know how real they are but we've looked at stats about people that use it for companionship and stuff like that, it's going to turn into all that. If you're a young person and that's what you're interested in is the pleasures of the flesh, however they may come, whether it be in IRL, in real life, or on the screen, that LLM has no problem helping you down that path.

You know what I mean? So it's It's easier for people of a certain age to know that they need to put it down and that it's not real and that everything that they're saying to it is being logged on a server somewhere. But people aren't behaving that way. People don't seem to be equipped to teach their children in many cases or even themselves because this is such a novel thing. It's probably going to be more addictive than... Any drug that we can imagine to so many people. And I think the genie's out of the bottle.

So it's kind of like, you're right. You're a hundred percent right. Like pornography is a terrible addiction for a lot of people. But now I think, you know, geez, now those kinds of people can, you know, interact with there's all this artificial intelligence stuff and some of it is artificially intelligently generated you know what I mean there's a whole new era of ethics that need to be discussed about generating there are disturbing laws yeah underage things that are just I don't even want to talk about them but it's like there's some places they're like oh yeah no that's totally okay and I'm like what yeah people are making the argument that it's therapeutic to pdf people so I mean it's it's we're going to get into some absurd territories man and I don't think we're going to be able to convince a lot of people to put it down Yeah, I mean, there's a big job to do by the psychiatric community, the psychological teachers of psychiatry, psychology, the pulpit, preachers that are worth their salt, and parents. If they can get the cojones and the sobriety to keep their kids in line a little bit and have an ethical discussion about some of these things.

To just let this thing run loose like a stampede out of control cannot have very many good outcomes. And unfortunately, a lot of people are not good at limiting it to just... Utilitarian, handy little tasks, you know, hey, wrap me up a grocery list while I take a shower. That's fine. But, you know, it's almost like gambling. You can say gambling can ruin people, it can bring about financial and physical ruin, alcoholism, drug addiction, stemming from the gambling debts. You can preach all you want, but people, they go to these casinos night after night after night, just pumping money away hand over fist. There's a similar mentality there.

I guess it's a dopamine high. Mm-hmm. Yeah Ruckus can you run those headline just the headlines down for our audio listeners you just flash some articles there yeah just to your point I mean you'll find this everywhere online now this is what people are talking like a psychology there it is american psychological association right there ai chatbots digital companions they're changing reshaping emotional connection The spiritual thing, just a couple of days ago, Pope Leo comes out and warns that AI could weaken human relationships. You're worried about China beating us? Hey, maybe we should do something. China's doing something about it. Their government is worried that AI is going to replace human intimacy.

So, you know, it's happening right now as we speak, right in front of us. And it's like, but we're all like warp speeded ahead. I'm sorry, project stargated ahead, right? Whatever. Yeah. Good point what does that mean is it's going to be really hard for you to produce children and repopulate low oh wait a minute I see a deeper issue here now yeah but there's no such thing as a depopulation agenda everybody calm down right no we couldn't have that now could we all right let's let's move on here so that we can wrap up at some point here yes all right we need to talk about Waymo we have to talk about the Waymo situation a self-driving car yes yeah go ahead mark I just wrote a wrote a whole bunch of stuff about the kill switches and Waymo self-driving eighty five thousand pound rigs I talked to a trucker the other day This is a very big thing and it's connected to AI whereby California and other states are trying to get it to the point where.

Eighteen wheel rigs with nobody at the wheel would be going down the road and Waymo, which is a taxi service, and I talked to Terri Hall, a well-known activist with Texans Uniting for Reform and Freedom. And Texans for Toll-Free Highways. I did a UK column interview with her that's gonna be coming out. We went over a lot of this stuff. And Waymo, as you probably heard, is this self-driving taxi service that did not stop for a school bus when the school bus was letting off or picking up kids and went around them. And you and I get a, you know, three or four hundred dollar ticket if we do that. And Waymo didn't even stop and kept right on going when the bus put out its warning sign. And this happened in Austin, I believe, more than once.

And It's a very troubling thing because just on one level, to have autonomous vehicles of any size, and now Waymo, as I understand it, goes on relatively predictable routes day after day and kind of knows the terrain, quote unquote. But when you get into larger deliveries and longer distances and eighteen wheel rigs being on autopilot and there's not even a human being inside the cab, then you're talking about traffic fatalities and traffic perils and risks and hazards of a massive significance. And it's getting very close to that. And Terri Hall is talking about that there's legislation that could put the kibosh on some of this. But evidently, Ted Cruz, one of the Texas senators, from her estimation, and she does lobbying on Capitol Hill in Washington, as well as in Austin at the state government.

But U.S. Senator Ted Cruz, she said, seemed almost brain dead. And she was trying to read him the riot act that they're going way too fast on this. They don't know what they're doing. They're not crossing their I's and dotting their T's. Dotting their I's and crossing their T's, but rather instead that they seem to be trying to put the rubber stamp on this or at least they're being negligent of the dangers. And it's complete and total insanity. There have already been semis tested that have ran into houses and there have already been serious accidents. Where there's been limited usage of these things.

So it does not bode well. And one of the overriding points, and then I'll pass it on to someone else, is the US infrastructure, the condition of our highways and bridges and byways and roads and streets is nowhere near. It is light years away from what it would need to be in order for these vehicles in the internet of things to be able to read their environment and safely and without interruption in the signal to safely ply down the road and make deliveries and pickups and whatever else goes on. The infrastructure is way too deteriorated Larry Silverstein, And too much dilapidated to depend on to allow, in other words, for it to be of sufficient condition where we could introduce these vehicles in large numbers, or even in smaller numbers, everything is completely out of whack nothing's being done in the right order.

Larry Silverstein, it's a recipe for disaster really. It's interesting that you can make a semi go down the road. Okay, that's really spiffy technology that you can do it without a driver. I'm reminded of that old Dennis Weaver movie. What was that called? Where he was chased by a truck and there was no one in there. I forget the name of the movie. Maximum Overdrive, sir. Well, there was another one. That's the one that comes to my mind. I can't think of it. Darn it. It's one word in the name of the movie.

It came out in the at any rate and you think of christine the movie where you had the you know the killer automobile that was so jealous if you tried to stop it would kill you and things like that I think that was a stephen king story one of his horror tales but I just don't see anything good coming out of this Putting that on the road. There's so many questions. Would the vehicle be labeled? Would other drivers who are driving their cars, human beings driving their cars, kind of like a student driver, you know, they're labeled, they label the vehicle a student driver. Are they going to label the truck, unmanned truck, you know, a driverless truck? Or is the company going to say, oh, that's too much regulation.

You know, that big brother shoving me, shoving his power down my throat. How dare they tell me to label my driverless truck as a driverless truck when the people absolutely have a right to know. So you've got to wonder just how this will go back and forth in terms of regulation. But everything I've written about and studied so far, It just doesn't bode well. And then that's saying nothing of kill switches, which is where there'd be technology inside your vehicle built into the new vehicles, whereby it would look for signs that you're inebriated or otherwise unable to drive or maybe not in the right mindset to drive. Maybe you're swerving. But as Terri Hall, the activist and lobbyist, told me for my UK column interview, you might swerve to miss a deer or a tree that fell down during a storm.

And the kill switch technology would interpret that as you're drunk and turn off your vehicle. Yeah well mark you're gonna love this story I got for you're gonna just love this and before I get to it I gotta say I've spent a little bit of time in the Austin area this year quite a little bit of time in the Austin area and Man, we got a lot of these Waymos driving around. I crossed the crosswalk in front of one just two days ago. And I was staring at that sucker. I cannot just walk across the crosswalk in busy Austin. With that thing as the front car the lead car you know what I mean if it goes it hits me right so it's like I'm just eyeballing this thing and it's practically silent too it doesn't make any sound it's not like you hear the engine rev before it moves forward and you know it didn't lurch at me or anything like that but how do I know that's not going to happen and that's just me and walking to I was going to see a wasp and kk's priest and I had to walk in front of one of those.

But I tell you what, that's probably the second time I've walked in front of these things multiple times in crowded parking lots, crowded parking lot at the Lost Well, just this little strip of dirt, basically, with some parking spots on it. And I had one pull up behind my car while I was trying to get out, and it just sat there for an inordinate amount of time, and I'm just like, Do I need to be worried? Am I being boxed in by an electric car? A remote-controlled electric car? That's creepy. Yeah. And then on top of that, I drive next to them sometimes.

Like, when I'm leaving the city, there'll be one in the lane next to me. And, like, it's so weird to me to try to get used to this. Like, okay, driverless Uber over here. Some guy sitting in a Tesla over there who doesn't have his hands on the wheel at all. Like, where am I? Like... It's just so jarring how fast we went from not having driverless cars to having driverless cars. It's, it's crazy. So anyway, I got this, let's see. I'm sharing it. Here we go. Waymo robo taxi calls cops on young riders with a ghost gun.

That's the headline out of cyber news.Com. Key takeaways, two juveniles were detained after a Waymo car detected a firearm and pulled over in San Francisco. Police found a loaded AR-style rifle, suspected marijuana, and mace spray inside the vehicle. Waymo said its cameras flagged the firearm and the company alerted emergency services. Waymo cars use cabin cameras to monitor passenger behavior and may share information with police during emergencies aha so what do you think to add that to the pile there mark you kind of alluded to this sort of possibility but we've got our first at least first I've seen case of this happening yes so they're active not passive they're not just taking you from one place to another they're monitoring your movements your body language your belongings that lends a lot of clarity to what this is all about.

And, you know, and, and on the flip side or to add another dimension to this, okay, what is, what is this thing called? It, it has lots of hauling space. It has a driver in the front car. It goes across the country, hauling goods to warehouses and whatnot. And it's doesn't have a lot of drivers, but it has an engineer who, and whatnot maybe a caboose on the back it's called a railroad okay and america is the most egregiously tardy and backward country when it comes to the railroad system there are there is nothing wrong with passenger and freight railroads if they're done right and not on some dystopian you know premise that's what built this fucking country in the first place man that's how we became like number one in the industrial revolution yeah I would love to get on a train and it could have some freight cars attached to it I suppose it doesn't have to be all passenger or all cargo but maybe there are regulations where it can't it has to be all one or all the other that's fine I suppose but I would like to be able to read and sleep and not always have to drive save my vehicle and the life of my vehicle and the condition of my vehicle for local and regional travel.

But when I want to go further, I would like the option of a passenger railroad. But the thing is, is that it's very underdeveloped here in terms of moving freight. We don't have to have driverless, eighteen wheel rigs. We need to rebuild our railroads, at least on the freight side for cargo. Granted, that can't take care of everything, but you can't throw all those truckers out of work right away like that. That's absolutely ridiculous. The Teamsters Union is having a cow about this.

They've been filing lawsuits, and there's just nothing good that can come out of this. Yes, there are irresponsible drivers, and there's the CDLs being given to illegal aliens, people that don't have their papers, truckers that come here and don't fully understand our signage and our language, and they don't fully understand our laws. And some states are issuing them CDLs. That's another thing, but then that's used to justify the driverless rigs because, well, we don't want these foreigners coming here and breaking our laws.

So let's just have no drivers at all. That dynamic is actually happening right now. And so, Michael Cloud, a Texas congressman in Washington, he's trying to halt the kill switches on another note. And so there is some legislation, but it's not moving real fast. But Representative Michael Cloud, just like it sounds, C-L-O-U-D, Texas Republican, he put through an amendment to the twenty seven Transportation, Housing and Urban Development Appropriations Bill. Trying to halt the kill switch on that note.

So there's a little bit of movement here and there, but I would highly recommend looking at Texans Uniting for Reform and Freedom, or I believe it's Texas Turf. Yeah, Texas, T-U-R-F, texasturf.Org. They've got a whole host of information at the Texas level and the national level on all these issues, just to get that out there. Okay cool so obviously the people in the car getting back to this story in San Francisco were probably up to no good by well they definitely were at least by california's law standards they're on a bad path there but that's sort of the background fuzz in this story right because what we're learning here is that there's cameras in there and that it's interacting with ai to flag things and it gets better it gets better folks so San Francisco police officers from richmond station responded to this after getting a report about two passengers in an autonomous vehicle with a firearm so According to Waymo's spokesperson, here, let me just put this on the screen so everybody can read it.

The company decided to pull the car over after the cameras detected firearms in the vehicle. Waymo also alerted emergency vehicles, presumably, and kept the two people locked in the robo-taxi until police arrived. Okay, they used the word presumably. That's journalistic of them, but I think they're probably correct to presume that. So it goes on to say, normally they check whether passengers are smoking or riding without their seatbelts on. In this case, cameras detected something more serious and flagged the footage for review. They go on to say this wasn't the first time the company reported suspicious behavior.

They've had other incidents. So, yeah, they're monitoring those cabins. And Waymo also, one of their employees said they were monitoring the live cabin video, and they tricked the teens by telling them the vehicle had a mechanical issue and needed to pull over. So the employees, they probably had the doors locked, and the kids inside probably never even thought to try to open the doors because an employee came through the speaker and said, oh, hold on, we're sending someone out to fix it. We've got a technical issue. And yes these were teens that were breaking the law okay and but at the same time like you were saying mark we're talking surveillance machines here we're talking ai flagging we're talking men with guns being called to stop a car based on this information right it's sort of I mean, it gets into a lot of dangerous territory.

Plus, like, what if, you know, you could come up with so many whatabouts? You know, what about the case where it crashes or something like that? And or it gets a wrong report and there's a dangerous situation and people are locked in and can't get out. You know what I mean? Yeah, like a fire or something. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, if I lived in Austin, I would get out the signage and the picketing and say something like, no way to Waymo on my signage. Oh, man. And just protest against this and just tell that company to go pound sand.

They've taken over, dude. There are so many of them in the city. You would freak out. When's the last time you were in Austin, man? It's crazy there now. It's been a little while. You know, it's indicative of the total mismanagement and I'll coin a term, misgovernment. You know, government is absolutely failing the people. They regulate the things they shouldn't regulate and they don't regulate the things they should. And I've called that misregulation. This is the sort of thing that should have to pass a huge smell test.

And be used maybe in very limited ways, maybe going to and from airports or something, very predictable, limited functions and pathways and limited distances. But just to go carte blanche on this is just irresponsible government to the hilt. Yeah man I agree bubscat this is the alternative title to tonight's show ass grass or crypto cash I like that it's a good thing these vehicles can't be hacked or anything hopefully not and definitely not by ai agents who've gone rogue in swarm form anyway yeah How are we going to be able to tell one from the other? Michael Hastings, anyone? I'd be like, oh, Waymo, Tesla taxi, take me to go vote. I'm voting today. Oh, sure thing.

Well, the AI determined by your body language that you're voting for the wrong guy, so we're going to crash you into a lamppost. This is a little too likely, a little too believable of a situation for me after all the AI apocalyptic mythology I've been fed throughout my life. Or what if like... I mean the ends always justify the means right what if like a dangerous suspect is close by and they need to commandeer the Waymo vehicle that you're in and use you as a missile to take out a suspect Oh yeah. Yeah. Mark, a fun fact here, speaking of what Ruckus just said, reminded me of something, that movie that the Obama's produced. There's a part in the movie where all the, electric cars in the nation, like just automatically drive to the bridges and like close all the bridges, exiting all the cities in that special, nice, cool little, little, you know, cherries on top that they provide for us in their predictive programming.

Well, Obama's just an innocent political activist raised in South Chicago where he put up an edifice to himself. And, you know, he's not like egotistical or maniacal or anything. He's a good old sport, you know, a bit dodgy, but nothing to worry about. But I've heard through the grapevine that there is a way major other side to him, you know, a completely different persona than what he puts out there. And I believe that I sense that in him, that he is not at all like who he portrays himself to be. Yeah. Even the design of his presidential worship himself library, where there's not even a single paper document in the library, by the way, not anything, not even his fake birth certificate.

And it, it, The way the whole thing is designed, it looks like something out of a dystopian novel or something. It's about as spiritually inspiring as a ball-peen hammer. I mean, you know, who would even go there? I mean... I might go there for sort of a morbid curiosity, but for no other reason than that. And I could only stomach it once. I was going to try and make it a couple months ago, and I didn't make it. So that's still on my should I go or should I not list. Yeah, I'm going to vote with not.

I'm going to vote with not, definitely. Hey, guys, I'm going to have to cut out. I'm getting summoned here, just so you know. All right, Mark, that movie you were trying to remember the name of is called Duel. Duel, thank you. Yeah, with Dennis Weaver, right? Yep, yep. Early project by Steven Spielberg, I thought. Yeah, Spielberg movie. Real quick, can I get your commentary on something, Mark? Just a quick one-liner, if you want, because I don't know if you saw this in the news, but Kash Patel was under the gun recently at some Senate hearings, and he had to staunchly, no, nay, double down on the FBI's recent...

They're relaxing the rules. No longer is bestiality a barrier for entry. And lots of people have been making comments about this and wondering just exactly what's going on with this guy. But yeah, did you hear about that? No. In other words, I could do a little bit of that good old bestiality and still apply to be an FBI agent? Is this what you're saying? Yeah, absolutely. Well, cool. Let's get that going. What is going on I mean what the hell I think I think one of the excuses I heard given was well what if it was someone that had been trafficked and someone made them do that and I was just like okay what percentage of that is the makes up a federal agency I wonder anyways mark I know you got to go so let's get out of here and if any final words for everybody where to find you well if Waymo accuses me of that it's not true okay noted Yeah, I got some new stuff at TheTruthHound.Com. An interesting nine-eleven article, and some other new stuff, TheTruthHound.Com.

And like I said, an important interview with the San Antonio activist, Terri Hall, that's a lady named Terry, with Texans Uniting for Reform and Freedom, texasterf.Org. Great website. I wouldn't say that, but I've been familiar with her and her work for about twenty years now, so I know what I'm talking about. She does too. And the interview coming out in the UK column. It'll probably be early October by the time it's posted. But in terms of kill switches especially, but also driverless rigs, and a little bit about Waymo. It's very informative, that and the website combined.

And then I still do a little contribution to American Free Press. At mostly hard copy and whatnot and republic broadcasting.Org. It's still every Thursday at two o'clock Eastern. All right, Mark, thanks for joining us tonight, man. And we'll look forward to talking to you again real soon. A most rousing set of topics. Thank you. Indeed. Indeed. My friend, there goes Mark Anderson, everybody, the true town.Com where to find him. Yeah.

So that Patel story was pretty weird. Ruckus. Yeah and then like that was in the news and then like the next day they're like oh hey speaking of FBI we're going to make shaquille o'neal an honorary FBI agent I hope there's no connection between those stories are you kidding me this has got to be a joke no they literally yeah no me and sam reported on it sam chaney from weaponized news he brought it up and yeah I can't I don't even know what's happening anymore there's so much weird going on wait a minute what is the deal with shaq I just don't understand this guy he should be like one of the richest guys on the planet rob probably right I mean I don't know is it someone who knows stuff about sports ball who is not me is probably like oh you know he spent all his money on blah I don't know something is up with this guy he sells and hawks so many things I tend to wonder speaking of the movie The Congress I tend to wonder if maybe he didn't like let them three d scan him and make ai appearances of him in all these like pharmaceutical medication things that he's hawking and car insurance it's like Someone asked their agent, have your agent tell my agent just how many brands Shaquille O'Neal pimps for.

I mean, it's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. Yeah. What's the deal I could come up with a new generation about I could have a I could have a much darker theory about it he's probably just bad it's not he probably he might have some extremely odd bizarre potentially disturbing like expensive habits and maybe obligations maybe certain beliefs and belongings to some secret societies perhaps Who knows? If the shoe fits. I mean, it's a really big shoe. It's a shoe that'll fit pteen brands, at least, in it. And now this.

A weird merging of all this pop culture stuff and celebrity, a lot of that happening these days, a lot in this administration. Speaking of Sam, he was playing like – and I've seen it since then too, but there's like – they're doing like reality shows now. They're merging the government with like reality shows and contests and spectacle and bread and circus, stuff that we haven't seen like ever. You know what I mean? It's like crazy. Yeah. Dude, people got to realize this is like Hunger Games level bullshit that we're seeing here.

I mean, just the news cycle itself is insane bread and circus. Anyone at this point thinking anything is going to change on the voting system or right versus left or a third party is... Sadly behind the curve I'm afraid at this point like this we're we've popped through the membrane here into the next epoch and we're just in the free fall right now like what is it gonna be what's it gonna be we're gonna be entertained all the way until we hit the ground that's for sure or I don't know either info we're gonna be infotained Right.

Well, either the AI is going to kill all of us or the AI is going to rule over all of us. Enslave us. Yeah. Kill or enslave. What's the choice here? Yeah. Because we see a lot of this. There's a lot of these Hegelian dialectic things that are being set up, including with the Lindsay Clancy thing that we were talking about recently, that is laying the foundation, let's just say, for AI governance. And I think that's a much larger topic for another day. But I think that's what we're seeing here with a lot of these things.

Again, the outlier is this idea of the AI, you know, oh, it's gone rogue. It's going to kill everybody. That could just be a red herring. I mean, the president himself, the smartest man, the most stable genius, Donald J. Trump. Said that, you know, oh, this is nonsense. We're not slowing down AI because we got to beat China. So he's all gung-ho about it. He's put it in the school. He's put it in the kids' hands. You never know. Maybe they're really just pushing for people to get used to it because those are, I mean, that's your next politician.

That's your next teacher. That's your next juror. That's your next judge and executioner, Hesher. Yeah, isn't that a fancy thought? No one likes a binary like that where it's like enslave or, you know, the oblivion of death. Good one, Ross. Hyperstition. Cybernetic feedback loops between fiction and fact resulting in new quote-unquote realities on a daily, weekly, monthly basis. Referencing Nick Land. Yes. Is exactly what I was talking about right there it's just like and real quick I have to ask did you see or are you aware of this movie I guess it already came out but I just recently saw the trailer my mind was blown I'm like yes this is where we're headed it's called Mercy Sounds familiar.

I think I have seen the trailer. What's the elevator pitch? A man wakes up strapped in a chair and a thing injected in the back of his neck. He's got like two hours to defend himself or the AI judge, jury, executioner is going to kill him. Watched it. Yes. Yes. Guess what? That's very much telling of where we're headed, I think. Yeah. See, there you go. I tell you, man, I have clicked on more of these B-grade movies, basically, on streaming services that look super flashy. And they have a plot like that and a fairly known main actor.

I can't remember that guy's name, but he was in one of those office shows or one of those mockumentary shows. Maybe Parks and Rec. I can't remember. Maybe it was The Office. I don't know. I don't fucking know. Anyways, the plot was just like exactly what you'd expect. And it's simply laying out. It's like Minority Report. It's just basically another version of Minority Report where they're laying out one of the primary dangers of technocratic systems being used to expunge people from existence with flawed information. Could possibly go wrong well you know that's these movies tell you these that's our mythology earlier yeah it's like they're this is your mythology basically your enslavement and or death in the technocratic future I didn't sign up for this I didn't vote for this I didn't agree to any of it right it was it was fun when the terminator came out the first one and then it's just like okay I'm in the mode let's let's see what else can what else can we come up with and then it's just like oh you like that son here you go here's your entire mythology it's all based on that well by any chance you have any other more disturbing news to share or should we shut it down We should shut it down, but real quick, I want to point out that back in May of this year, we did a story about a woman in a town called Trinidad here in Texas who made some Facebook posts where she was showing the quality of her community's water that was coming out of the pipes.

And she made some... Stern comments as any good wife or mother would when they saw that you know they're bathing their families and making their food in like brown water anyways the local police department came and arrested her and charged her with a felony And on the show, of course, that caught our attention. And we were like, what the hell? Especially after everything we've seen, like after the Flint, Michigan situation and the Ohio train crash, Palestine, Ohio, I think it was. Come on, you're going to arrest a woman? Seriously? For pointing out that the water in her town's bad.

Anyways, that police department has been defunded and shut down. That woman's name is Jennifer Combs. And the Trinidad Police Department arrested her on a felony false alarm charge. So the Texas Commission on Law Enforcement investigated the department and determined it did not satisfy basic standards or demonstrate that it provided a public benefit. At all I added the at all yeah so they shut it down man they defunded it they fired everybody they said they didn't even have rules of engagement for violent altercations or they had a whole laundry list of stuff so that would be one of my good news is for today was that you know we covered that back in may and that police department's been shut down so bravo texas however we'll give you one attaboy this week texas for sure got a scar on your face from so what happens so who do they call for when they need help if they're like somebody's trying to break into their house or something they don't have any cops to call right They call the sheriff's department now, I think, and the neighboring police, I think, have offered to help out as well.

So I doubt that it's a very large district of theirs, but I don't know for sure. I've never been to Trinidad, Texas, so. Well, hey, billionaires, maybe you should help them out with some of your fancy-schmancy technology. Send them some drones and flock cameras and robot dog stat, right? Fill that vacuum, right? No, I'm just kidding. And all of that for what? I mean, basically how the story started. I mean, this is not ultimately the reason the department was disbanded, of course, but it shined the light on it.

Like, this would have never happened if they had left that lady alone or... She was bitching about the water quality didn't the cops know that I mean we don't even have a right to clean water so you know she they should have just told her that and would have been done with it right yeah but instead the police department used one of the state's most serious tools right felony arrest against a person criticizing local government and now she's suing also so on top of that she's probably gonna walk away with a settlement Unless a Waymo accidentally hits her when she's crossing a crosswalk in Austin. Oh, you don't give them any ideas, Ruckus. Or a helicopter falls out of the sky covering a local news story, just saying.

Right? Who was that guy? Is there a there? Internet Salutes, let us know if you find anything. Okay, I got one more lighthearted thing we can close with here. And I teased it in the beginning and shouts out to Kilowatt and Melly. They hung with us for the whole show. So now I'm going to answer their questions because they were asking in the chat. What I was talking about when I said flock daddy ninety nine hundred so I'm gonna show you now flock daddy ninety nine hundred speaking at the Dallas city council meeting I believe Flock Daddy 9900.

This is the newest technology able to film at nine hundred and sixty degrees. If you commit a crime, I can catch you. And what makes me better than Grok is I'm actually mobile. I mean, what makes you better than Flock is I'm mobile, but I use Grok. Anytime I see a license plate, I'm able to connect. Instantly with Grok so what I'm saying is mary johnson you're going to be the rnc let me give you an example what I can do is I can go in the women's restroom and make sure no trannies walk in there and try to take a poop next to my girlfriend and I think that protects them much better than a flock camera that's stuck out on the street I can go into a children's classroom and film children all day and make sure that no pedophiles try to abduct them What I'm doing here today is groundbreaking technology.

So I would ask you that I will give you a hometown discount because I am Alex Stein. I'm a lifelong Dallas resident and I can be your flock hero. Created the Flock Daddy 9900. There you go. But seriously in all seriousness like this is the second time recently we've pointed these out these are a thing and it's not like a totally new thing like this goes this trend goes back like you know we know matt baker a little bit he likes to do similar stuff he's done some great campaigns in the past but I mean city councils and just everybody like look what it has descended to like we're literally doing theater satire theater inside of city council meetings and all these kind of political sit-downs now like that's that's where we're at it's pretty crazy man you think that's crazy hasher I hope you're sitting down for this one Check this out.

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Nope. We made top page results on a hot topic issue right meow. There you go there you go wow that's that's wild dude I don't think I've seen that in years and years and years oh my gosh okay oh one other thing dude did you hear the we had a we had a police shootout here in our local area in bell county very local area yeah Crazy. Another crazy story. The thing, I'll just briefly, there's a suspect out of Troy who allegedly unalived his ex or something like that and then was pulled over in the town of Belton. Or he was at like the mcdonald's in Belton actually we've driven past that mcdonald's before and when he saw the cops apparently a gunfight ensued and then he escaped into the wooded area next to it and was you know there was like they had search for him for a while all this stuff but anyway the thing I wanted to make sure you knew was they used the flock cameras, the local Flock cameras to follow—to trace the guy's path from the scene of the crime to McDonald's.

And I was like, Oh, better get that deflock app. So we know where all these cameras are, but yeah, that was a trip to see sort of our, our local area with a crazy news story like that. And the, the shout out to flock in there is one of the things that, got him was I don't know something to think about yeah it was crazy but I think I saw that all over all the local facebook pages and everything and people like oh is there a posse can we help find the guy and I'm thinking oh my god a bunch of these guys out there yeah I don't think that's a good idea so I'm glad they caught the guy he's been booked and everything as of today so that's neat yeah yep so all right that's it that's where we're gonna leave this one man thanks for being here tonight Ruckus over to you thanks for having me I'm just gonna get to f out of here read everything listen to everybody don't believe anything unless you can prove it for yourself using your own research the wise words of William Milton Cooper aka Bill Cooper Ruckus out all right thanks Ruckus and let's see here that's it everybody really appreciate you folks in the chat hanging out and yeah gosh we had a lot on the docket tonight couple things I didn't quite get to but hey we'll get to it next week if all goes to plan I hope everybody has a wonderful rest of the weekend be sure and join us for Sunday Wire, this coming Sunday.

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